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Purchasing a R9 Gibson Les Paul....What years do I avoid? What years are choice?

Roy E. Munson

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Hello, I am in the market for a R9.

I have read to steer clear of the 2012s due to the laminated boards. Is this true?

Whats a good year for them? Should I avoid everything post-2012?

I realize they are all excellent guitars. Just want to know the experts feedback. Thanks,

Roy E.
 

tripletime

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depends on which is more important to you


1) looks

2) tone

3) investment potential


start by looking at ebay "completed auctions " - its your best friend

learn prices and what things are actually selling for - there are reasons why some things are selling like hot cakes while others just sit waiting for an offer that never comes
 

Roy E. Munson

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depends on which is more important to you


1) looks

2) tone

3) investment potential


start by looking at ebay "completed auctions " - its your best friend

its all important......looking at ebay, reverb, CL is basically my part time job at the moment. I want to know what a great year for r9's is and what are the years to avoid if any. Im not going after the cheapest one. Going after one around 5kish that will holdup as a gem for life.

Munson
 

marshall1987

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You may wish to avoid 2012 as that year utilized two-piece fingerboards most of the year at the Custom Shop. Otherwise, you have to play them to really know which guitar speaks to you. Of the many Custom Shop Les Pauls I have owned since 2002, my favorite is a 2000 R9 plain top with many "non-vintage-correct" parts, specs, and features. YMMV.
 

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Post 2012 have the truss rod covers removed, and then the top carve a little better.
 

Thundermtn

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2013 and forward have custom buckers, I think they sound really nice. Saves a little $ not having to upgrade p/ups.
 

ourmaninthenorth

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Don't buy any guitars you don't like from any year. Conversely buy any guitar you do like regardless of year.

Good hunting.
 

J T

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Here is the year question again. :##

I think that is all web nonsense. There are excellent guitars from ANY year, and of course dogs in ANY year including vintage years as well.

I agree with Ourmanupnorthway. Play it. Your dream guitar can be from ANY year.:hank
 

1allspub

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Definitely don’t avoid post-2012s (ie, 2013-present). These later ones were a significant step toward being more historically correct. Hide glue, aniline dye, tubeless truss rod, Custom Buckers, etc., (of course, whether pickups are “good” is totally subjective... some folks love Custom Buckers, others not so much... I really like some I’ve heard/played while others, meh... still, be prepared for the potential of having to swap pickups if you are particular about how your pickups sound).

2014/2016 spec RIs (both built to the same spec), generally speaking are considered to be more historically “accurate” than prior year RIs (while still not being totally accurate) from a build/construction perspective. That said, historical accuracy does not necessarily translate to a guitar being a “good” guitar in the broader sense (ie, feeling, playing, sounding, etc)... so regardless of year, pick that one that’s right for *you*.

2015 was a weird year at Gibson (for the Custom Shop and USA lines :spabout). The R8 and R9, etc., were replaced with the CS8, CS9, etc., series. These had short neck tenons, which is something to be aware of when shopping. The True Historic line also came out in 2015 and was/is a step towards even more historical accuracy (at a pretty significant price increase, though).

2017 and 2018 are kind of their own animals... incorporating some traditional RI and some TH aspects. It can be quite confusing.

My personal opinion is that the 2014 and 2016 RIs are the sweetspot currently for RIs (with 2013s running a close second) in terms of historical accuracy and price/value (whether a particular 2014 or 2016 RI is a good/great guitar only you can decide). Also, unless you just *have* to have the “9” in your serial number, considered an R8 as well... there are some seriously flamey R8 tops out that that could pass for an R9 top any day of the week... and you’ll save some cabbage. :)

HTH.
 

Big Al

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Here is the year question again. :##

I think that is all web nonsense. There are excellent guitars from ANY year, and of course dogs in ANY year including vintage years as well.

I agree with Ourmanupnorthway. Play it. Your dream guitar can be from ANY year.:hank

There you go.:peace2:dude::hank
Someone please tell me ANY year R9 that is substandard. There isn't a flippin' wrong or bad year. I have seen and played so many OUTSTANDING 2012 R9's, that the Sheeple Choir say are baa baa baad because of ply fingerboards, to know it is only an issue for tone deaf pundits.

You don't buy a year, you buy a guitar. Choose it like one.
 

Fan of LP

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There you go.:peace2:dude::hank
Someone please tell me ANY year R9 that is substandard. There isn't a flippin' wrong or bad year. I have seen and played so many OUTSTANDING 2012 R9's, that the Sheeple Choir say are baa baa baad because of ply fingerboards, to know it is only an issue for tone deaf pundits.

You don't buy a year, you buy a guitar. Choose it like one.
But... but... the good wood years?! :p
 

Tommy Tourbus

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Definitely don’t avoid post-2012s (ie, 2013-present). These later ones were a significant step toward being more historically correct. Hide glue, aniline dye, tubeless truss rod, Custom Buckers, etc., (of course, whether pickups are “good” is totally subjective... some folks love Custom Buckers, others not so much... I really like some I’ve heard/played while others, meh... still, be prepared for the potential of having to swap pickups if you are particular about how your pickups sound).

My personal opinion is that the 2014 and 2016 RIs are the sweetspot currently for RIs (with 2013s running a close second) in terms of historical accuracy and price/value (whether a particular 2014 or 2016 RI is a good/great guitar only you can decide). Also, unless you just *have* to have the “9” in your serial number, considered an R8 as well... there are some seriously flamey R8 tops out that that could pass for an R9 top any day of the week... and you’ll save some cabbage. :)

HTH.


Post 2013's aren't necessarily better. I have a bunch of Historics from 2011 that are impeccable in terms of fit and finish, while I received a 2014 and 2016 where one had a section that was actually unpainted (bare wood showing!), and the other had big chunks of finish missing, but the chunks weren't floating around in the case. Meaning it was packed up by Gibson that way! So while post 2013 specs look better on paper VS 2011, the 2011's are actually better in terms of workmanship and detail
 

deytookerjaabs

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There you go.:peace2:dude::hank
Someone please tell me ANY year R9 that is substandard. There isn't a flippin' wrong or bad year. I have seen and played so many OUTSTANDING 2012 R9's, that the Sheeple Choir say are baa baa baad because of ply fingerboards, to know it is only an issue for tone deaf pundits.

You don't buy a year, you buy a guitar. Choose it like one.



I disagree, 2012's SUCK.

And, if I keep typing 2012 R9's (R8's too, cause I'd rather) SUCK then I figure each time I do, with each extra view, just perhaps, little by little their used value will plummet. I'll try to spread the news on TGP and MLP too, to really start an echo chamber. Then, soon, I will have my NGD 2012 laminate board pile of suck R8 and like the rest of my guitars that "suck" then tell anyone who thinks so to go scratch a cat post. Can we get them down to, say, $1800 if we keep talkin' ****???


Stay away from tone sucking laminate board 2012 R8's folks, especially any darker tobacco burst, and for crying out loud no one wants a plain top. I'd rather have an Epiphoney than one of those things. It's a crime against humanity, I heard they also use stump wood from synthetic forests and glue made from used tupperware plus there's an "air gap" somewhere under the fretboard.
 

1allspub

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Post 2013's aren't necessarily better. I have a bunch of Historics from 2011 that are impeccable in terms of fit and finish, while I received a 2014 and 2016 where one had a section that was actually unpainted (bare wood showing!), and the other had big chunks of finish missing, but the chunks weren't floating around in the case. Meaning it was packed up by Gibson that way! So while post 2013 specs look better on paper VS 2011, the 2011's are actually better in terms of workmanship and detail

I never said any year or years were “better”... I said it was my personal opinion (which by definition is entirely subjective) in terms of historical accuracy and price/value that the 2014 & 2016 model years were the current sweetspot in the RI market. If you think 2011s are the current sweetspot, you’re welcome to that opinion...doesn’t change mine.

And I never once commented that any particular guitar of any particular year was built better in terms of fit and finish... I didn’t and wouldn’t even try to opine on particular guitars because there are good and bad in every year. I even went so far as to further clarify that whether any particular 2014 or 2016 RI was good or great depended on the individual holding it to decide (ie, they can see it, play it, feel it, hear it, inspect its build quality, etc), which is, of course, true of any year.
 

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I've only owned several r9s and can't remember the exact years ( all prior to 06 ) ...I can say the 2k I kept is excellent
 

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There you go.:peace2:dude::hank
Someone please tell me ANY year R9 that is substandard. There isn't a flippin' wrong or bad year. I have seen and played so many OUTSTANDING 2012 R9's, that the Sheeple Choir say are baa baa baad because of ply fingerboards, to know it is only an issue for tone deaf pundits.

You don't buy a year, you buy a guitar. Choose it like one.

1965
 

Big Al

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LIES!!!! Everyone knows the 65's were so exceptional that everyone of them was promptly shipped to Japan where to this day they remain as they cannot be exported to the US due to the super duper tripletime quality that only the Japanese can truly appreciate.
 
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